Episode 052: The Future Faces of STEM

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Going into it you really just learn that medical schools, if you're

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smart enough to be a doctor you can do it.

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There's no, you know, you just have to be smart enough and pass

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the test and then you're good.

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But this definitely, it did teach me some other adversities and

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you know, different aspects that you don't really hear much about.

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Hi everyone.

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It's Monique Mills here and welcome back to our most recent

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episode of Unpolished MBA.

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And if you notice, if you follow us and I hope you do, we have some loyal

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listeners, and I appreciate that.

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Last week, we did not release an episode.

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And the reason for that is you can probably hear right now a little bit in

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my voice is I suffer from allergies really bad to the point where I can sometimes

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not even really talk or speak well enough to do a podcast episode or interview.

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And so with that, many times I'll struggle through and you'll hear some of these

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episodes with my raspiness and this time I decided...hey, you know what I'm not going

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to push that too far this time around because it was really bad to the point of

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having like coughing fits where I thought maybe I have COVID that's not uncommon

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right now with everyone getting COVID.

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And so I decided to just not release anything last week.

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But also the week before that I spent some time in Martha's Vineyard

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for an event that I was invited to speak at which involved black

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women in science and engineering.

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It's a group called BWISE and they were having a private event

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at a resort in Martha's Vineyard.

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And it was only for those that are in like medical innovation and entrepreneurship.

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And they invited me to talk about how those who are in medical professions

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or, you know, some type of healthcare, innovation and all that, and how it's

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possible to convert that knowledge into some form of innovation and

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entrepreneurship for themselves.

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And so I got a chance to talk a little bit about that and venture

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capital and how that works.

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And it was awesome.

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And I stayed for a while longer than the event, just to, you know, continue to

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network, explore, you know, what other types of things are on the island that

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could be great connections and business prospects, you know, as you all know,

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I'm involved in a lot of different things and so my eye is always open.

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But during that event, I took one of my children with me to the conference because

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she is interested and has always known for a while since she was about five years

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old, that she was going to be a doctor.

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I've spoken about that on one of the episodes and I laugh because

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I mention it and I'll be able to link to the episode that it was.

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But I explained to you all, how recency of engagement with someone having a

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positive experience with someone, it causes you to forget everybody else who

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has been you know, a good connection or a good experience with, and I told you

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guys a story about my daughter, where she always says she wanted to be a doctor

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pediatrician and started out as that.

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But once we had started her at this new swimming school, she loved the

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experience and her teacher so much that when they went around at her school to

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ask, you know, what are you gonna be?

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And they filmed it.

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And all of this, it was this big event and she told everyone

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she wanted to be a swim teacher.

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We're like, what?

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Thank goodness she has come around and came back to her roots

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of being in the medical field.

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She's specifically chosen to be a surgeon and the area of the body or expertise

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and focus has not been decided just yet.

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So I'm really proud of the things that she's done, but also her and

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I are gonna share a little bit.

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What happened at that event?

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The B wise event and Martha's vineyard that was for doctors and medical

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professionals who are interested in possibly being in an innovation space.

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We're going to talk about that event and I'm just going to share a little bit more.

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I'm going to have her share.

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I'm not going to share it.

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I'm going to have her share a little bit more about, you

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know, next steps for her career.

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Now she's still in high school, so calm down but she is a junior and I am

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dropping her off at Stanford university to take biomedical classes for the summer.

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They accepted her for the summer to take real classes for real

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credit and yes, real money.

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I have to write a check for this, but it's going to be a great opportunity for her.

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And we're going to just touch on that.

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So let's hop in.

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Hello Amerie, welcome to Unpolished MBA.

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Hello, thank you so much.

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Thanks for having me.

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Of course, of course.

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So I want us to have some discussion around because you know, I work with a lot

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of entrepreneurs, innovators, folks all across the country, really all across the

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world, many have some interest in things that actually you're embarking on now.

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And I want to talk a little bit about that and the event we went to in

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Martha's Vineyard last week for black women in science and engineering, which

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was an event for medical doctors and innovationists and things of that nature.

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So we're going to go down that journey a little bit, and I want you to start out

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with sharing a little bit more about your perspective career and also about applying

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to and getting into this program here at Stanford university, which enables you

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to take classes this summer...college classes for college credit.

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So you ready?

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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All right.

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So first of all, we didn't know anything about you applying to

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Stanford and all this stuff.

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All we know is we got to pay money for it.

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So, talk to us about like how you even decided to apply and what

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that whole thing was even about.

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Yes, of course.

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So Stanford is one of my dream schools.

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It's definitely the top school that I would love to get into once I graduate

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and start applying for colleges.

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So of course, when I get mail from them, I'm like super excited.

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I'm like wondering what it is, why, you know, Stanford's,

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you know, mailing me stuff.

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Like I want to see what it is.

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So a couple months back in November, this is shortly after we had just taken our P

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S A T testing and had received our scores.

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Stanford every year, sends out information about different programs they're

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offering with students that did fairly well on their standardized testing.

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So I get mail from them basically about the summer program they're having this

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year, which they didn't have in past years due to COVID and all of that, but they're

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starting the summer program for high school students where we basically get to

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go on campus and basically live as college students taking real courses and enjoying

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summer at Stanford as a college student.

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So I see this, you know, there's not that much information about it online,

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but I see this and this interests me, like, I want to go to Stanford.

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This is a great first step into that direction.

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So I go and I apply for it and I wait a couple months to do it.

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You know, I'm like, why not?

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You know, let's go ahead and just take the chance.

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You don't know what could happen.

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So I just go ahead, apply.

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And a few months later I get the email that I got in.

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And so I get in and you know, just started taking it from there.

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So...

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Yeah.

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Next thing I know next week, you know, I have to drop you off there, move

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you into your dorm which is bananas.

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Right?

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Right.

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So, you know, one thing that I like that you said is that, you

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know, you went on ahead and applied and what's the worst that can happen?

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What they say no?

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You can't, you can't come in.

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Right.

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And I think a lot of people are afraid, you know, especially

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adults, you know, are afraid to try things because they fear rejection.

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And I'm proud that that wasn't you in this instance, but a lot of

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people don't try because they're afraid that it's not for them.

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You know, people will say no anyways, and you just can't live your life that way.

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So that's awesome.

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But what are you planning to do with this experience?

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Like why Stanford and what is it that you're going to be

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studying or preparing for there?

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So let me first get into sort of what I aspire to be.

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I aspire to be a surgeon.

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That's kind of my goal.

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As far as the medical field goes, that's my goal to be a surgeon.

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Well, I remember the days when you wanted to be a pediatrician,

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since you were four or five.

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Yeah.

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That has changed over the years.

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I've got more exposure to the different aspects, but yes, being a

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surgeon is where I'm at right now.

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Not exactly sure the specialty yet, but that's definitely

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an area I want to pursue.

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But with that goal in mind, I've been preparing myself through middle school and

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high school being involved in healthcare programs and things like that to get me

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prepared for special programs like these at Stanford and prepare me for college,

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where I will be taking pre-med courses and chemistry courses and biology courses.

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So for Stanford, specifically, Stanford was a great option.

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And it's my number one, not just because it's an IV school and has, you know, a

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great prestigious status to it, but it's also a great leadway into medical school.

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They have great programs there with amazing doctors

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that come from that school.

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So that was just, you know, a top school for that.

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And for this program, I was really excited about that because yeah getting

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to Stanford is a great way, but also getting exposure by taking these courses

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this summer, getting exposure to the professors and doctors that are there,

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that I'll be working alongside with and learning from in these programs, I'll

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be taking two science courses there.

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I'll be taking one of the neurobiology of pain and the introduction

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of cancer biology, which I'm very excited to learn about.

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These are very interesting.

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Oh gosh, that's totally out of my range.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So I'm very excited to take those courses and meet those professors and those

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graduate and undergraduate students that are already, you know, taking these

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courses to be where I hope to be one day.

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So I think this program was just perfect going into my junior year

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and getting ready to apply to colleges and just getting those

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networks and connections now...

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Getting them established.

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Yeah.

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Getting them established.

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So you mentioned that, you know, undergrad graduates, high school,

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as far as people that are there.

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So this program, just to be clear, it's not separate classes outside of, you know,

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the traditional classes that they offer.

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They're just allowing a few college students from around

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the world, really right?

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To partake in their summer semester.

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Right, right.

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High school students, but right.

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What did I say?

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You said college students, but it's okay.

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High school students from around the country and around the world

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that are going that got accepted will be going to this program.

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But yeah, the program it's literally just like, "Hey, you look good

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academically we'll let you, you know, take a couple courses here and

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just see how you do" kind of thing.

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Like, they're just kind of putting us in there.

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We're mixed definitely with the graduate undergraduate students.

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The classes I'm taking have both populations in them.

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So we're definitely going to be the youngest students there, but it's

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still great exposure and allows us to definitely make connections with

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those people that are already, you know, taking these classes for real

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and are trying to get to those places.

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Well, I would would say you're taking these classes for

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real, for real, because that tuition bill says it's for real, for real

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and it comes with college credit.

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So you actually get college credit for these classes just full semester.

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One of the things that came up last week when we were at Martha's Vineyard

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at the BWISE conference, was really how, you know, a lot of students don't

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really know about these different options when they're in high school and

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exposing students to more things and opportunities than they currently have.

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So I took you along on the business trip to Martha's Vineyard to the

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Women Hold Up Half the Sky conference that was hosted by BWISE and, you

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know, the keynote speaker was Dr.

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Stanford, a world renowned like bariatric doctor and she was simply incredible.

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Right?

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Yes, very much.

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Yeah.

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And then the other person you met there who has also been on, she's been a guest

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on Unpolished MBA, Augusta Uwamanzu-Nna.

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So you remember meeting these phenomenal women, but I want you to share a little

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bit about your thoughts on the conference, your experience there, what you learned,

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you know, those types of things.

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Yeah, of course.

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So I really didn't know what to expect a lot of, I did know that there was

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going to be keynote speakers, but I kind of just went in there really

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hoping for the best and just you know, hoping to see what was going to

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happen and who I was going to meet.

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So Dr.

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Cody Stanford was in a phenomenal speaker.

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Her presentation was incredible and her just life story and profession, what

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she does now, which is really inspiring and it definitely taught me a lot about

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everything involving the medical field.

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Definitely things I didn't know about and it was just really insightful so

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she was really inspiring in that part.

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Miss Augusta, she was also...I really connected with her as

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well, because she is still young.

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Like she just graduated, you know?

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Well, she had her formal graduation this past couple weeks, but she

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graduated, you know, two years ago.

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So she's still on that younger level and can definitely relate more to what

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it's like to be a black, young woman now trying to pursue such a prestigious job.

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That's not necessarily that inclusive of, you know, minority women.

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So I think she's a great...

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She's a great example.

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Yeah.

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A great person, great example that I can definitely look up to.

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So she was also really like fantastic to see and to see where she's

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going for these next couple years.

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Yeah.

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Well, one thing you didn't mention, but people who didn't listen to her

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episode and will link it in the show notes, but Augusta just graduated

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from Harvard university, magna cum laude, which means top of her class,

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which is crazy, right like, like who does that from Harvard university?

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And so, you know, again, it's still a predominantly, you know,

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white institution like Stanford is.

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And so I think having that kind of relationship with someone who's

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kind of been there and done that then in a similar situation and have

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successfully navigated it, you know, it's a privilege to be able to have

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those kind of relationships in place.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And now she has a full scholarship to medical school at

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the university of San Francisco.

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And so you guys will both be in San Francisco this summer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's exciting.

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And she'll be staying even once you leave, but you

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got eight years ahead of her.

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So that was your first like business conference you've attended.

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And as I mentioned, when I first started this episode is that the

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conference at Martha's Vineyard that BWISE put together was a private event.

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So it was a small group, I think maybe it was probably 30 people max,

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and it was private invitation only.

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I was one of the speakers for technology and venture capital and entrepreneurship.

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And in those kind of events, it's a more intimate connection, would you say?

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Yes, yes...very.

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What were like some things that you learned there

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that you didn't know before?

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I'm so glad you asked that because the whole

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presentation, especially with Dr.

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Cody Stanford, not only did she obviously talk about her achievements

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and her wonderful accomplishments, but she mentioned the adversity

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she definitely had to face to get there, which I didn't realize were

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so prominent in the medical field.

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You don't really hear about this a lot in news or articles, or even in school.

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When you know my healthcare program at school, I had no

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idea about any of these things.

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So hearing it from the professional was really interesting.

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Just talking about the adversities as far as assumptions that may be made about

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you or your lack of ability, or being able to do certain things, which you

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know, can definitely discourage you, but, you know, being able to get past that.

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And then just even the lack of support sometimes in the field, because you're

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a minority in such a prominently white or Asian American field that

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you're not really seen or being able to get as far ahead as those people.

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So I think it was definitely different aspects that I was surprised to

Amerie: 00:18:29

learn about that I didn't really know existed, you know, going into it.

Amerie: 00:18:32

You really just learn that medical schools, if you're smart enough

Amerie: 00:18:35

to be a doctor, you can do it.

Amerie: 00:18:36

There's no, you know, you just have to be smart enough and pass

Amerie: 00:18:39

a test and then you're good.

Amerie: 00:18:40

But this definitely, it did teach me some other adversities and,

Amerie: 00:18:44

you know, different aspects that you don't really hear much about.

Amerie: 00:18:47

So I think that...

Monique: 00:18:48

And the survey has confirmed that that's a lie, right?

Monique: 00:18:51

Like, this is not America as far as like, if you're just smart enough, if you're

Monique: 00:18:55

just this enough, you know, you can make it to certain heights or get ahead in

Monique: 00:19:00

your career and all of that because Dr.

Monique: 00:19:04

Stanford, who was herself like a child prodigy and excellence in everything she

Monique: 00:19:11

did and her research and all of that.

Monique: 00:19:14

For some reason, still wasn't good enough, you know, for different opportunities

Monique: 00:19:19

and other people would get selected over her who had less accomplishments.

Monique: 00:19:23

And so I think that isn't spoken upon a lot, and I'm glad that you had an

Monique: 00:19:29

opportunity to hear about that in the realm of the medical field, because

Monique: 00:19:34

we talk about that in engineering, but the medical field is something

Monique: 00:19:38

completely separate from engineering.

Monique: 00:19:40

It's still a STEM field of course but as you can see underrepresented

Monique: 00:19:45

minorities and especially women with that intersectionality of being a

Monique: 00:19:50

woman and being a woman of color, there are unique challenges there, right?

Monique: 00:19:54

So, that was one of the major, major points that she gave so many different

Monique: 00:19:58

examples of things that really embed the concept that you can't forget

Monique: 00:20:03

that this is not really a meritocracy.

Monique: 00:20:06

So that was interesting.

Monique: 00:20:07

And then what are some other things that you learned there?

Amerie: 00:20:10

Well, I also learned just the different ways you can take your

Amerie: 00:20:15

career, that it's not a set stone path where you graduate high school,

Amerie: 00:20:19

you go to a good college, you go straight to med school, then you

Amerie: 00:20:21

do your career and then that's it.

Amerie: 00:20:23

You know, she definitely gave various ways you can go about different aspects, as

Amerie: 00:20:28

far as your career goes, you don't need to go on the straight, you know, path.

Amerie: 00:20:31

There's different ways you can help other people, different

Amerie: 00:20:33

ventures you can go into.

Amerie: 00:20:35

And I thought that was just very interesting, because it gave you a

Amerie: 00:20:37

different perspective of, oh, okay I don't need to go the traditional route.

Amerie: 00:20:40

I can think of something different.

Amerie: 00:20:42

And I think also with your career as well, that's definitely showed me that as well.

Amerie: 00:20:45

But also I think Dr.

Amerie: 00:20:47

Cody, Stanford showed me a way medically and the medical field that

Amerie: 00:20:51

can happen, but you also gave me another like, oh yeah, this is possible.

Amerie: 00:20:54

And now this is another way I can do this as well.

Monique: 00:20:57

Yeah.

Monique: 00:20:58

Yeah, for sure.

Monique: 00:20:59

For sure.

Monique: 00:21:00

You know, I've made a post about this this week on LinkedIn.

Monique: 00:21:03

I'm like, Hey, I don't know everything.

Monique: 00:21:05

Like, I know a lot of things, but I know where my expertise begins and where

Monique: 00:21:10

it ends and I don't know everything.

Monique: 00:21:12

And so I hope that this episode encourages those of you who have children, nieces,

Monique: 00:21:17

nephews, mentees, whatever it is that you may not have the expertise

Monique: 00:21:23

that they need for a specific career, but you can extend your network.

Monique: 00:21:28

You can make introductions, you can share your relationships with them

Monique: 00:21:32

and help them develop their own.

Monique: 00:21:35

And so that was really, you know, the purpose and, and also I needed your help

Monique: 00:21:39

there with, you know, I had prepared my speech and making sure, you know, I was

Monique: 00:21:43

prepared to deliver while I was there.

Monique: 00:21:46

So thanks for joining me there, but I think it's really, really important

Monique: 00:21:49

for people to kind of hear your perspective on things even at your age.

Monique: 00:21:54

And, you know, hopefully it provides some encouragement, right?

Amerie: 00:21:58

Yeah.

Monique: 00:21:59

So everyone, I just wanted to share with you all a little bit

Monique: 00:22:03

about my little crumb snatcher here.

Monique: 00:22:05

As you guys know, I call my kids crumb snatchers online.

Monique: 00:22:08

I don't typically share much about them personally.

Monique: 00:22:11

I don't put them in a public spotlight along with myself, but I think we're going

Monique: 00:22:16

to be hearing and seeing more about you, just like we have with other people who

Monique: 00:22:21

have done great things in life, like Dr.

Monique: 00:22:23

Cody, Stanford and Augusta, you know, and I think you're

Monique: 00:22:27

coming up through the ranks.

Monique: 00:22:28

What do you think?

Amerie: 00:22:29

I hope so.

Amerie: 00:22:29

Yeah.

Amerie: 00:22:30

I think I am.

Amerie: 00:22:30

I'm doing pretty well.

Monique: 00:22:31

I think you're well on your way.

Amerie: 00:22:32

Yeah.

Monique: 00:22:33

Well, I want to thank you for sharing a little bit about yourself

Monique: 00:22:36

with the Unpolished MBA audience.

Monique: 00:22:39

And thanks again for joining.

Amerie: 00:22:41

Thank you so much for having me.

Monique: 00:22:46

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Monique: 00:22:49

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