Episode 046: Perception, Performance, and Power with Morgan Wider

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Hi everyone and welcome back to the Unpolished MBA podcast.

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And today I have with me, Morgan Wider.

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Hi Morgan.

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Hi Monique.

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Thanks for having me.

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Thanks for joining us.

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I'm going to ask you the same two questions I ask everyone else.

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Are you an entrepreneur or a corporate employee?

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Entrepreneur who used to be a corporate employee.

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Ooh, I'm sure you got some stories.

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MBA or no MBA?

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No MBA.

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Okay.

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So you're entrepreneur now, but how did you even get to this point?

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My story started my senior year of college at Georgetown.

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I was an econ major thought I wanted to go to law school and was like, no way I don't

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want to take a single test anymore, I'm done, went to work in corporate retail.

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So I worked 10 years at headquarters.

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Like the Gap OshKosh B'gosh, Banana Republic...traveled across the country,

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worked in retail, loved clothes, but wasn't happy in these roles.

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I just kept feeling like I was being stifled.

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I was miserable.

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I had chest pains every day and I made the decision to make the leap of faith

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entrepreneurship in September of 2016.

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So last year it was my five-year anniversary and I was passionate

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about helping women know what I knew about retail and how to make smart

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decisions when it came to shopping.

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And that turned into wardrobe styling, speaking, being an

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author and all those things.

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Wow!

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So your interest in what you do now did it start from your work in retail.

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Because it sounds like you went from being very academic to, you know what?

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I have this creative spark that I want to explore further.

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You know, Monique, it started when I was a kid, my

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mother and I, I'm an only child.

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And she would take me to TJ Maxx every weekend, shopping was her passion and

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I loved it and I didn't at the time.

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Didn't know that there could be careers in fashion and my dad was a lawyer so

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I just thought I'd go to law school.

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And when I decided I wasn't going to take the LSAT, the

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Gap was recruiting on campus.

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And I was like, I didn't even know that there was jobs in fashion or retail.

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And so it was for me, those 10 years was a mix of being creative

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with product, but also being able to use my numbers analytical side.

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And when I reached that corporate burnout phase, that prompted me to make the leap.

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I then went into being a stylist, thinking that it was all creative

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and I got to play with clothes, but then learned as a business owner is

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I know, you know, there's numbers, analytics that have to go into.

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Yeah.

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So you make sure you're doing this stuff that's important.

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Exactly.

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So you can pay the bills, right?

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Right.

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Well, you know what, what I've noticed and we talk about this in my world overall,

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because I deal with a lot of tech people.

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I'm a tech person too, but, you really have to pay attention to be balanced

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because you can spend all your time being creative and doing the fun stuff.

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It was like, oh wait, I have to do all the other stuff to make sure the business

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actually is profitable and operates.

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Right.

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For me, it was my first year out of Corporate America.

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I call it the wilderness of entrepreneurship because my role in

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Corporate America had been a merchant.

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And where I was telling other specialists what to do like designers what to

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design, planning, finance people, how much to budget, all of these things.

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So I was used to having a team.

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So being a solopreneur who had to learn and become the Jack of

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all Trades, that was a wake-up call beyond belief right there.

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Wow.

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That was my MBA training, probably.

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Yeah.

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Oh my goodness.

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So the thing is like, when we start thinking about all the things

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that's required to run a business, besides just our talent and what

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our subject matter expertise is, you know, you have marketing, you have

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sales, you have all of these things.

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How did you learn to incorporate all of these things and something else we call

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customer success, which is basically getting customers to be repeat buyers.

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Right?

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And be happy with what they bought.

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Like how did you even learn about all these other things that you needed?

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You know, I will say the blessing that I did have that

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first year was my best friend was very much into the coaching space.

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I didn't know that there was business coaches available.

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Again, I spent 10 years in Corporate America and didn't know this

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outside world of entrepreneurship.

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So I followed my best friend, like I do in all things in life.

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And she had signed up for this coaching program a year program in

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that year long program, talked about how to build an online business.

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But the blessing of that, that I think a lot of entrepreneurs don't get that

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I got was the psychological impact.

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Or how do you keep your mind strong?

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How do you believe in abundance theory, we had to read Think & Grow Rich and

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The Science of Getting Rich and all of those mindset things that helped me stay

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positive and helped me create new ideas and find ways of being in business.

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So that's one thing that I think a lot of entrepreneurs don't get that

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I got was that mindset shift, because it is, you have to go from relying

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or thinking that your check's coming from a company every two weeks to

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relying on faith and the universe and the perfect client to come along.

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So that was the one thing.

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And then after I got my mindset right, it was taking one thing one day at

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a time, one opportunity at a time.

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And I think as an entrepreneur, I learned from other girlfriends, you say yes,

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before you know that you can do it, and then you figure out how to get it done.

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And that's what I've been doing.

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And I've found my niche and I'm really passionate about that.

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Well, I can say you're, you've done a good job and all.

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And that's why I was even asking, like, how did you learn about this

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whole marketing and all these other things, because I found your profile

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in 2019, but I found your name in an old note that I had to myself.

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This is someone I want to work with in the future for professional styling.

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And then in 2022 to actually be connected to you through another thing that I'm

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having done with professional photos and all that, and to be connected to

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you as like, wow, I had completely forgot about that in my note to self.

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So you've done some wonderful things with a lot of people that I know.

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And so I just want to know, can you share with me maybe like one of

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your most memorable transformations in the work that you do?

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Oh, that's a tough question.

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Let me say this before I answer your question Monique.

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The way that I fell into styling was when I knew I was ready to leave Corporate

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America, I started reading more books.

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I started reading more emotional books and spiritual books on how to keep my mind

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right and open to a new way of living.

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And then I started styling clients.

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These women would share similar stories of how they weren't happy with

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themselves or happy with their jobs.

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And I was referring books that I was reading it and it became for me the

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spiritual connection of how I want it to help transform other women.

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So styling for me is I call it my ministry in a way that I help women

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and some men feel good about themselves and closes just the way that I do that.

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One story that was early in my business launch before when I was doing the

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nine to five and five to nine life was, a woman named Erin who I had known.

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I met her on a group trip to Kenya years ago.

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And she's this beautiful woman.

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And she was so well-traveled and I hadn't really been as

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many places that she had been.

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I thought she was so cool.

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And she reached out to me.

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And I'm like, I'm shocked.

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Like you, you know, you're so...you have this cute short haircut and

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you're traveling all over the place.

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Like what can I do?

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Went to her closet and her whole closet was all black and her whole

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home was all white and black.

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And I was like, what?

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Like, where's the stuff from your travels and all of these things.

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And she told me, she said, Morgan, I knew I needed to call you because

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I'm the only black woman in tech.

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I was a tech consultant at a company and I realized I had been buying all black

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to blend into the conference room chairs.

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Because I didn't want to be seen or noticed.

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And I hate my job so much.

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And I was like, whoa.

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And that was for me, our work together was how can we help you get more visible?

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How can we by color?

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How can we help you feel good in your body?

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And this, this miserableness that she was experiencing in her

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work, limited her social life.

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She didn't have the clothes to go on dates.

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She didn't feel confident when she was going out socially.

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So I say that how you do one thing is how you do another and how you

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show up in one space is usually how I show up in other spaces.

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So that was a really great opportunity for me early in this business to see, oh, it's

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bigger than just shopping for someone.

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This is helping someone show up in a way that can change their life.

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Oh my goodness!

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That is so deep.

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I feel seen, although I do, I love my work.

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I always have loved my work, but not necessarily the dynamics that I've

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been in over my, you know, a couple of decades career in engineering.

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And I'm sure we've all been there, right?

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Like in the times that you're not happy in whatever, wherever you

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are in life, your wardrobe probably reflects that some way, some how.

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Absolutely, wardrobes.

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So I totally feel seen with her and the whole black and white

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and also I would cut my hair.

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So I would have like a short bob, cause I didn't want to, you know, have too

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many distractions or, and it's just sounds so ridiculous now that you talk.

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But it's not ridiculous because you know all of us

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have gone through those phases.

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I hated my body for most of my life.

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I was 5 ft 10 in and the only black girl in most of my

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classes growing up in Minnesota.

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So I wore baggy clothes to hide much to my mother's dismay.

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Right?

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Like we all have had times in our life where we don't feel

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good about ourselves and we want to play small somehow some way.

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So don't feel bad because we've all been there.

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So one of the things back to what you've created and what you do, what it sounds

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like is in your work, you definitely create a connection with your clients.

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And with that, I can see how people keep coming back.

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I'll just tell you from my perspective, I'm thinking, okay.

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When I first got introduced to you, I'm thinking okay.

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You know what, she'll be great in helping with this photo shoot and you know, great.

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And then I'm like, Ooh, this is deeper than that.

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You know, just like you explained, I'm like, oh yeah, I totally see how I'll

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hire her again, to help my daughter, as she comes into womanhood and things

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that she needs to do for her career, my son, my husband, and it's ongoing.

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And so it's not a one time thing.

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And I don't think a lot of people realize that when it

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comes to professional styling.

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Yeah and it's just like building a wardrobe isn't a one-time thing, right?

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Like you, your closet should evolve as you evolve as your desires, your body change.

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I think it's your wardrobe and your style is a, as a living, breathing

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organism, just like a relationship, you have to breathe life into it.

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And I just help people get the tools and get the items

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to make themselves feel good.

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But yes, I'm excited to work with you on an ongoing basis because it is, it's

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uncovering a lot, like literally you're going through your closet and we dig up

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stuff that's like, why am I keeping this?

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Or why do I feel a connection to this?

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Am I okay with letting this go?

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And do I have faith that I can replace these 20 year old jeans

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with a new pair of jeans, right?

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Like, our clothes are so much emotion loaded in like memories, baggage

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and thoughts and identity that just that once you can let some of that

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go, you can open your space up for whatever newness is supposed to come

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into your life and into your closet.

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Amen!

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You know what, from being just so I don't know, black and white and techie

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and like not really thinking I was you know creative, in that kind of way.

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I really didn't put much thought into how important it was.

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Right?

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That all of that is in alignment.

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Yeah.

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That's why it was so important to me to have you on, because a lot of the

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entrepreneurs I work with and a lot of people just overall in my professional

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network and who listens to Unpolished MBA.

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They don't realize that how they dress affects so many things to

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do with where they are, where they want to go and them getting there.

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Yes.

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I think as women and as brown women, there's one thing where we're told to be

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the smartest in the room and to, you know, like our looks can be a deterrent somehow.

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So there's sometimes that element of, we don't want masculine attention in

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a way that might make us feel unsafe.

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There's some of that.

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And there's also the "I'm so smart, I'm too smart to think about clothes"

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and you know, and that's real.

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Like I was, that was part of me even though I worked in retail.

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I was the only female on the team on a male team.

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So I wore what they wore, t-shirts and jeans.

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And I didn't, I didn't think it mattered.

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And I have so many thoughts about this.

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There's a quote that I came up with where people can't hear your message if you look

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a mess and we're so distracted by like, as humans, we are visual creatures, not

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just men, all of us are, and I've been watching...have you been watching The

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Dropout about Elizabeth Holmes on Hulu?

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So I was watching that the other night.

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And there's an episode where she looks disheveled.

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I'm on, I think episode three, she's looking at a total mess and she's,

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you know, like I'm too smart to think about clothes and she hires a designer

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to help design the testing kit.

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And this designer says to her baby no one's going to take you seriously,

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because if you can't manage your image and yourself, no one's going to think that you

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can manage a multi-million dollar company.

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And so I think as people in tech and as entrepreneurs, how you present yourself

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is again, a reflection of how you manage yourself and then manage your business.

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You are a brand, you absolutely have to create that alignment

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between how you show up and how people think about your business.

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Ooh, that's a word right there.

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I'm telling you like 99% of the people that I know and I was in this category

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as well before I spoke to you..

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I'm growing.

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One of my corporate clients, I do a lot of speaking at workshops and I

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was working with one of the HR directors at Google...wanted to bring me in.

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And I said, great.

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And she says, you know, I'm pitching to leadership and leadership's

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like, you know, don't talk too much about clothes because you

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know, we can wear anything here.

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You know, it's a very casual environment.

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Talk about more executive presence.

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I'm like, cool.

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Got it.

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Say less.

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Did two workshops, one in their San Jose office and one in New York and

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both workshops with their Google search engineers, mostly white and Asian

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men and a few women in the group.

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And at the end of those workshops, both of them, the line to talk to me was so long.

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And I kept hearing from these young white men and Asian.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how to be seen as a leader, because everyone around me is my own

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pajamas and sweatshirts, like, right?

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And so even like, even if you can wear pajamas and sweatshirts doesn't

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mean you necessarily should, because we know as humans innately how we

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view each other is based on our wardrobe and how we present ourselves.

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Yes.

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Wow.

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That's, that's so interesting because you're in an environment where people

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think, because they give you this freedom to wear pajamas and you know, whatever

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to work that somehow what you wear can really make you stand out even more.

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If you're not in the comfortable, you know what, they would

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consider comfortable mold.

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Hey, I don't want to wear pajamas and khakis every everyday.

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You know, and so, but if I don't then now, you know, people

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ask me, why am I dressed up?

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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So this is my work sometimes without giving people permission to be what I call

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their authentically appropriate selves.

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And you have to be true and stand tall on what's authentic for

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you and what feels good for you.

Morgan: 00:17:52

And then what's appropriate for you as well.

Monique: 00:17:54

Wow.

Monique: 00:17:55

I really appreciate you saying that.

Monique: 00:17:57

You know what?

Monique: 00:17:57

I also know that you wrote a book.

Morgan: 00:17:59

I did.

Monique: 00:17:59

That goes into this.

Monique: 00:18:00

What's the title of it?

Monique: 00:18:01

And tell me what inspired you to write it?

Morgan: 00:18:03

The book is called The Worthy Wardrobe, your guide to style shopping

Morgan: 00:18:06

and soul and to be candid, Monique because I was doing...I fell into

Morgan: 00:18:10

speaking and while I was speaking, people would ask, oh, do you have a book?

Morgan: 00:18:14

Do you have a book?

Morgan: 00:18:14

And I'm like, no.

Morgan: 00:18:16

And I said, well, I'm going to write a book.

Morgan: 00:18:17

And I got help from a writing program.

Morgan: 00:18:20

And I said, you know, I already have this content on executive presence.

Morgan: 00:18:22

I'm going to package it up and, you know, sell it.

Morgan: 00:18:25

And the professional that was working with me said, yeah, you could write a

Morgan: 00:18:28

commercial for your business, or you can become a thought leader in this space.

Morgan: 00:18:31

And I said, oh, Boom challenge accepted.

Morgan: 00:18:34

And he said, what's your goal for your work for what you to do with women?

Morgan: 00:18:37

And I said, I want women to know that they're worthy of being seen,

Morgan: 00:18:40

no matter their height, their weight, their baggage, whatever their race.

Morgan: 00:18:44

I want them to know they're worthy of being seen.

Morgan: 00:18:45

And he said, oh, like the Worthy Wardrobe.

Morgan: 00:18:47

And I was like, that's it.

Morgan: 00:18:49

And so that to me is this book is a love letter to women to help them know that no

Morgan: 00:18:54

matter what industry you're in, if you're in tech and I have stories of women in

Morgan: 00:18:57

tech, in the book where people think that you're odd, if you were a color, no matter

Morgan: 00:19:01

what's happening with you, you and your intelligence are worthy of being seen

Morgan: 00:19:05

and the wardrobe helps you execute that.

Monique: 00:19:07

Amen.

Monique: 00:19:08

I love that.

Monique: 00:19:09

So, you know, have you gotten any feedback yet or results, you know, that

Monique: 00:19:14

people have had from reading the book?

Morgan: 00:19:18

Oh, it's been such a blessing to get this book out into the world.

Morgan: 00:19:22

And one of the ways that I wrote the book was, I crowdsourced and crowdfunded it.

Morgan: 00:19:27

And then the people who bought the book early, I was able to

Morgan: 00:19:30

give them sneak peek chapters.

Morgan: 00:19:31

And I was doing this before the book was finished.

Morgan: 00:19:34

I had a group of about 40 women who met with me every Monday night,

Morgan: 00:19:37

who helped me give me feedback.

Morgan: 00:19:38

And I asked them, there was a chapter left that I knew had to write, but I

Morgan: 00:19:42

didn't know what it was going to be.

Morgan: 00:19:44

And it was about sexiness and how women, how do we feel when it comes to

Morgan: 00:19:48

attention and wardrobe and sex appeal and all of those things, and these

Morgan: 00:19:52

women, most of whom had never met each other shared with me their stories

Morgan: 00:19:56

on this Zoom...shared with me and other women, how they had been raped.

Morgan: 00:20:00

And they had have since you used their wardrobe to be baggy, to not draw

Morgan: 00:20:04

attention or a woman in the air force who was very busty in her uniform.

Morgan: 00:20:09

She was always very conscious of her bust in her uniform.

Morgan: 00:20:11

And a senior woman who she thought was a mentor scolded her for her

Morgan: 00:20:15

bustiness and that broke her.

Morgan: 00:20:17

So, I mean, there's been so many stories that I'm fortunate that women have

Morgan: 00:20:21

shared with me that have gone into this book and created a community and that

Morgan: 00:20:25

launched the Worthy Wardrobe podcast.

Morgan: 00:20:27

And Worthy Reveal podcast and all the things, but it's,

Morgan: 00:20:30

it's truly a love letter.

Morgan: 00:20:32

And I think women and I've had men who read the books, say that they've

Morgan: 00:20:35

learned more about themselves and learn more about women reading the book.

Monique: 00:20:40

So you mentioned...that is incredible.

Monique: 00:20:44

You mentioned that you also have a podcast, tell us the title of it and

Monique: 00:20:48

where people can find it on all platforms?

Morgan: 00:20:50

It's on all platforms and it's called the Worthy Reveal and

Morgan: 00:20:54

I've been blessed to get to interview folks, men, women, all walks of life.

Morgan: 00:20:58

And I want to know from them.

Morgan: 00:21:01

What was the time when you played small, how did you show up for yourself?

Morgan: 00:21:04

What were you wearing?

Morgan: 00:21:06

And we unpack the baggage of someone's closet and the times in their life

Morgan: 00:21:10

that they weren't feeling good and now how they are feeling and

Morgan: 00:21:14

how their wardrobe impacts that.

Morgan: 00:21:15

So we're on a little bit of a hiatus.

Morgan: 00:21:16

We'll be launching season two soon, but the first season was just incredible.

Morgan: 00:21:20

We have rock stars, musicians and stylists.

Morgan: 00:21:24

Please tune in.

Morgan: 00:21:25

I would love to have you on a guest Monique, when we start recording again.

Monique: 00:21:29

I'd love to, you know, I think as you were mentioning

Monique: 00:21:33

that I, as an introvert, right?

Monique: 00:21:37

I think my main thing is, of course I don't want to draw

Monique: 00:21:39

attention, but I also don't want to be accused of doing too much.

Monique: 00:21:44

And if you know what that means, especially in this world where everyone

Monique: 00:21:50

is seeking attention and it's like, sure, I want attention for my business, but

Monique: 00:21:54

I want attention for the right reasons.

Morgan: 00:21:56

Yes, absolutely.

Monique: 00:21:58

You know, so, Morgan, I really want to ask you this question.

Monique: 00:22:02

What do you see as the best part of being an entrepreneur?

Monique: 00:22:06

And the second question is the part that you wish someone had told you

Monique: 00:22:11

about before going out there yourself.

Morgan: 00:22:15

Ooof, the best part of being an entrepreneur?

Morgan: 00:22:22

Oh man.

Morgan: 00:22:23

There's so many beautiful parts of it.

Morgan: 00:22:26

I think for me, this journey is...I've learned so much about myself.

Morgan: 00:22:32

People told me that entrepreneurship would be like the biggest personal

Morgan: 00:22:35

development course you can ever take.

Morgan: 00:22:38

It really has changed who I am, how I show up in the world, how I think about things.

Morgan: 00:22:43

It's strengthened my faith in the universe and in people and in myself

Morgan: 00:22:48

and what I'm capable of doing it has been hard, but it's also...

Morgan: 00:22:52

Glennon Doyle says, you know, one of her quotes is "we can do hard things."

Morgan: 00:22:55

And that's what I've learned from being an entrepreneur.

Morgan: 00:22:58

I wouldn't change it for the world.

Morgan: 00:23:00

I think that this, these past five years, and I don't know

Morgan: 00:23:03

what the future holds for me.

Morgan: 00:23:05

I can at least be competent knowing that I know how to survive and sustain myself.

Morgan: 00:23:10

That's the one thing about entrepreneurship.

Morgan: 00:23:13

I think the thing that I wish I had known when I started that

Morgan: 00:23:17

other people don't know, or, you know, you're not talked about in

Morgan: 00:23:20

addition to the mindset part of it.

Morgan: 00:23:23

I think especially, maybe in my industry, as a stylist, I get a lot of people asking

Morgan: 00:23:28

for like my story and how did you do it?

Morgan: 00:23:31

And I think that a lot of us, especially if you're coming from

Morgan: 00:23:33

corporate or right out of college, we think that success is a step-by-step

Morgan: 00:23:38

ladder up to one way to get success.

Morgan: 00:23:41

And I think that you have to be open to endless possibilities of

Morgan: 00:23:45

whatever...A.) What success can mean for you, but then also how to achieve it.

Morgan: 00:23:50

I think that I felt like I was a failure at first because my business didn't look

Morgan: 00:23:55

like some, another stylist is business and I think being open to creating it your

Morgan: 00:24:00

way is the beauty of entrepreneurship, but it's also the fearful thing because we're

Morgan: 00:24:05

often not taught to think for ourselves and build something in our own terms.

Monique: 00:24:09

Amen.

Monique: 00:24:10

Oh my gosh.

Monique: 00:24:11

This has been one of the most enlightening interviews we've had, and it's something

Monique: 00:24:17

that is going to be on replay a lot, lots of audiorams for this, just to

Monique: 00:24:23

keep people encouraged and mindful of how they look affecting what they're

Monique: 00:24:28

doing, where they're trying to go and how they feel about themselves

Monique: 00:24:32

and how other people feel about them.

Morgan: 00:24:34

Yes.

Morgan: 00:24:34

Your image impacts your income.

Monique: 00:24:37

Oh, that's right.

Monique: 00:24:39

That is so true.

Monique: 00:24:40

Well, Morgan, I want to thank you again for joining us on the Unpolished

Monique: 00:24:45

MBA, and I hope that you'll come back in the future to join us again.

Morgan: 00:24:48

Say when, it's been a pleasure and thank you for these awesome questions.

Morgan: 00:24:52

I don't often get to talk about entrepreneurship in this way.

Monique: 00:24:55

Awe, thanks for coming!

Monique: 00:24:56

Take care.

Monique: 00:25:00

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Monique: 00:25:03

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